Topic: The Foreign Installation

[Michael]

It is very hard to talk about the FI or the flyers, because we get involved in a feedback loop. Without a clear perception of how this thing works, we end up speaking pointlessly. Just remember that in whatever way you like to image this matter, its primary manifestation is for people to be come obsessed with self concern. We worry over our self like a dog worries a bone. We also cut ourselves up - this is an extension of self-concern where we criticise and abuse ourself with negative thoughts. In all this obsession we drain energy, such that by the time of middle age we have lost our magical qualities.

This is easy to see in humans, that they look heavy, especially in their connection to the ground. We mistakenly call it being mature and responsible, but actually almost all humans become hollowed out shells. Part of this path we follow, is to restore that magical gift we are all born with. It's about stemming the drain, and discovering ways to increase the quantity and quality of flow into us of this particular fine kind of energy.

The ways to decrease the drain and increase the input, are a large part of the knowledge and skill of the Path.

Once you get significant traction on all the elements of the Path, it is not that difficult to make yourself distasteful to flyers. The FI is more difficult to deal with as it has such long history in our life as well as part of our ability to mix effectively with other people. But it can become just another element within us, like so many other things we are host to simply by being alive. We can isolate and identify its presence.

Humanity's outcome is not so optimistic. Unfortunately our species is on an involutionary path - it is spiralling inward, away from the universe and the great cohort of living beings that we share the earth and the universe with. It is a perceptual retreat, into an extreme self-obsession with our own collective being. This is fertile ground for flyers, and I suspect they have had a powerful hand in producing this involutionary path. For those who watch humanity, it is a worrying trend that can't continue indefinitely, as existing in isolated self-reflection is unsustainable. Just that the breakdown will be painful.

This raises another question. What is the role of those who have made significant progress on the path of spiritual development, to play a part in the Second Attention wars that are taking place for the control of humanity. My personal view is the same as DJ's - only the awareness of the 3rd Att can be an effective position from which to approach any 2nd Att issues, otherwise we become more entrapped than if we never left the 1st Att.

[nemo]

Don Juan "The Active Side of Infinity. Chapter Mud Shadows

"We are energetic probes created by the universe," he continued as if he were oblivious to my presence, "and it's because we are possessors of energy that have awareness that we are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe allows us to continue."


Michael your last post is full of doom and gloom. The mud shadows are not that complicated, it is just that the topic is outside the cognitive reality of the first attention, and it is meant to be so. The universe is very old and parts of it indulge, so what, it will do no good judging the infinite directions life (intent) takes. It is our hardships successfully overcome that give individual beings strength.

[Michael]

Doom and gloom? For who? If you mean my comments about humanity? Yes indeed - worse in fact. I can't begin to speak about the tragedy humanity has already sealed for itself, but that is not my task in this thread - sufficient to allude to it in principle.

To talk about the long journey of the universe is not relevant. The universe doesn't give a shit about this tiny speck in the cosmos - humanity's fate is like the fate of a gnat we kill without thought. In there is our own daily struggle - equally meaningless in the grand scheme. But bloody important to this little me I can assure you!

For us here in this forum ... alas, I speak about things because the topic suggests, and I like to speak. But I'm not fooled.

Facing us is a sheer wall. There is no foothold, no reference point, not top nor bottom. In fact there is no way whatsoever to scale this wall, but that is our task! Anyone who thinks they can flit over it on a whim is not worth bothering with. This task will drain every last ounce of blood from our soul, till it lies dead at our feet. Only those who have witnessed the death of their own souls, only those who have utterly lost all possible hope, and yet push forward for no reason whatsoever, except that it is the only way to live: only they find the answer to this wall. I say that because I have been through it, and I have lived to tell the story.

Believe in an ice-cream spirit if you will, I don't care, but I am here to speak of things final.

[nemo]

Well, I think to talk about the long journey is relevant, and I don't kill gnats without a thought. So we can hash that out if you like, or not, that's up to you, this is your forum.

As you know, or at least I tried to explain to you in the egypt thread that the universe is made out of static frames we move through in my view. Everything already exists, so nothing is avoided or not experienced by the universe. We are individual aspects of the universe with a packet of doings within that immensity.

Doors appear through walls as we become energetically in the ballpark to be able to go through them, and that is an energetic fact, a final one if you like. There are powers in this reality manipulating timelines, so that beings with first attention focus on what they choose for them to align with, that is the energetic binding force which the flyers are a part of that makeup the world of the first attention. Beings availing themselves of the third attention are not bound by that manipulation, and can see it a mile away.

You said:

Believe in an ice-cream spirit if you will, I don't care, but I am here to speak of things final.

Michael you have a little maneuver, you make a comment like that. If I say something about it, then you will say that you meant it for the general reader out there not me. Consider this my comment about that tidbit.

From the Magical Mystery tour, looked for a good yellow submarine and blue meanie vid but


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap6kSV_U45o

[Endless~Knot]

Doom and gloom? For who? If you mean my comments about humanity? Yes indeed - worse in fact. I can't begin to speak about the tragedy humanity has already sealed for itself, but that is not my task in this thread - sufficient to allude to it in principle.

To talk about the long journey of the universe is not relevant. The universe doesn't give a shit about this tiny speck in the cosmos - humanity's fate is like the fate of a gnat we kill without thought. In there is our own daily struggle - equally meaningless in the grand scheme. But bloody important to this little me I can assure you!

For us here in this forum ... alas, I speak about things because the topic suggests, and I like to speak. But I'm not fooled.

Facing us is a sheer wall. There is no foothold, no reference point, not top nor bottom. In fact there is no way whatsoever to scale this wall, but that is our task! Anyone who thinks they can flit over it on a whim is not worth bothering with. This task will drain every last ounce of blood from our soul, till it lies dead at our feet. Only those who have witnessed the death of their own souls, only those who have utterly lost all possible hope, and yet push forward for no reason whatsoever, except that it is the only way to live: only they find the answer to this wall. I say that because I have been through it, and I have lived to tell the story.

Believe in an ice-cream spirit if you will, I don't care, but I am here to speak of things final.

I know eventually humanity will be doomed, but I do not think it is in the near future. Everybody has a bomb and so far no one is using it. So I do have some hope for humanity. We may be clinging by a thread, but there are still a lot of good people in the world trying to keep it all going.

I don't know if so the universe doesn't give a shit. If this were so why so much interventions which occur to get people to 'wake up' and ascend from all of this?

[nemo]

I know eventually humanity will be doomed, but I do not think it is in the near future. Everybody has a bomb and so far no one is using it. So I do have some hope for humanity. We may be clinging by a thread, but there are still a lot of good people in the world trying to keep it all going.

I don't know if so the universe doesn't give a shit. If this were so why so much interventions which occur to get people to 'wake up' and ascend from all of this?

One must "see" to get this, the universe is multifaceted, it has elements of itself that care and a great amount of it that does not. In the quote from DJ I posted earlier he stated something close to acknowledging that by saying that "we" are the means that the universe becomes aware of itself.

To have made singularities the universe needed something to maintain a self reflective entity, so it housed an ego in a body suit and injected into that singularity an emotional spectrum, one of them being compassion. The universe requires singularities that want to have nagualistic powers to go through a process, that process is to wake up to what they are. When someone says that the universe does not care about humanity, that is wrong, it does because I do, but I also see why and how that caring came about.

Of course that caring came about because I experienced lifetimes as a human. How did I experience lifetimes as a human? By accepting to forget myself, to be born in an environment that emphasized first attention being and doing, which in turn is the reason for the Foreign Instillation.

Have not talked about "The movement of the assemblage point of earth much over here in this forum, but if you have not read what I have said in the "egypt" thread then please do. Michael and I did not see eye to eye in our view, but in that explanation is the beginnings of the cognitive view that empowers a singularity to do just that, move the assemblage point of earth.

Being very pragmatic about all this, we must accept firstly that if something is foreign, one must have the perception that something is not the "self". So when humans talk about the fate of mankind what they are doing is projecting that intent out into the universe and then complaining about what they themselves pulse out. We are not helpless victims of the universe, we are the universe and the intent of the universe comes from each and every being that is able to pulse out intent. To be trapped by intent is to not know what intent is and that is the again first attention doings.

[Endless~Knot]

When someone says that the universe does not care about humanity, that is wrong, it does because I do, but I also see why and how that caring came about.

Yes I agree and this is where I disagree with Michael as well. If I looked at the science of the universe, in its creative/destructive element, sure I could say it does not care because it just does what it does. However when I see that 'we' are the universe, becoming aware of itself, then I see it does care. This is why I have hope for humanity. Yes, many are asleep, however, many are waking up and trying to make a difference.

[Skyflower]

Just for the sake of reference, is anyone interested in giving a description of how, or whether the Flyers and the Foreign Installation are at all connected?  Seems some people refer to them as one and the same.  Is this accurate?

[Kal]

There is no such thing as a foreign installation skyflower.

smile. And the flyers should be off everybody's minds. 

[nemo]

Just for the sake of reference, is anyone interested in giving a description of how, or whether the Flyers and the Foreign Installation are at all connected?  Seems some people refer to them as one and the same.  Is this accurate?

Although I have seen the flyers shadows, with my eyes, and they do appear stronger more visible around someone that is angry, showing high emotions etc. I have not captured and interrogated one for the truth of what's its up to. Though I trust there may have been seers able to get into the makeup of the issue back in the day, so I am willing to accept what they say, but that is beyond me at the moment.

My preference is not to use the flyers in the description at all, and separate it from the effects that Castaneda and Don Juan attributed to them, because I don't know that for sure, but obviously since it is part of the knowledge base that readers of CC have I can slip into it. So when I say or read Foreign installation I mean it as the programming prevalent in the first attention, that has the effect of having people act out of integrity.

[Skyflower]

smile. And the flyers should be off everybody's minds. 

Agreed.

[Skyflower]

So when I say or read Foreign installation I mean it as the programming prevalent in the first attention, that has the effect of having people act out of integrity.

Thanks for this, nemo.  This is how I understand as well.

[Endless~Knot]

Just for the sake of reference, is anyone interested in giving a description of how, or whether the Flyers and the Foreign Installation are at all connected?  Seems some people refer to them as one and the same.  Is this accurate?

I kinda see the foreign installation as the hive and the flyers as the bees, coming out to roost.

However I do believe if you lead a spiritual life, one is not tasteful for the flyers. Inner silence, meditation, and detaching from the worldly things makes it more difficult for them to cling.

[runningstream]

Directional movement .
The universe ,
i like to climb ,
The law i see says this,
In order to climb ,
perception must become enhanced ,
And enhancement comes via awareness,
Awareness is not ignorance ,
Is seems to be as though the opposite,
In order to move ,
Within reflection and seeing ,
Unified , requires balance , or else something else occurs ,
The existence of an ego being a gravity of sorts, within a close range density ,
The expansion and balance struck between expansion and contraction ,
Movement ,
So like the heart as guide , towards movement of climbing awareness,
As the truth the light and the way ,
I will be unsurprised , that the " time" as witnessed as awareness ,
Is acutually neither here nor there ,
so what we are viewing depends on in actuality literally our position of assemblege.
Within a cluster , of time , and the word " frequency " as a literal translation something like this ,
The singularities ability " which again will not be surprised actually is non compliant within singular position or universe as stationary object " unfathomable unit appearing and dissappearing perhaps atomically ,

As " dreamer " and "dreamed"transcribe harmoniously however much so to imply existence having neither conceived beginning or end .

[nemo]

runningstream said:

The singularities ability " which again will not be surprised actually is non compliant within singular position or universe as stationary object " unfathomable unit appearing and dissappearing perhaps atomically

Yes