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Joseph Campbell
« on: April 29, 2011, 12:08:28 PM »
"All societies are evil, sorrowful, inequitable; and so they will always be. So if you really want to help this world, what you will have to teach is how to live in it. And that no one can do who has not himself learned how to live in it in the joyful sorrow and sorrowful joy of the knowledge of life as it is."

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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 01:40:37 PM »
"The poet and the mystic regard the imagery of a revelation as a fiction through which an insight into the depths of being—one’s own being and being generally — is conveyed anagogically. Sectarian theologians, on the other hand, hold hard to the literal readings of their narratives, and these hold traditions apart. The lives of three incarnations, Jesus, Kṛṣṇa, and Śākyamuni, will not be the same, yet as symbols pointing not to themselves, or to each other, but to the life beholding them, they are equivalent. To quote the monk Thomas Merton again: 'One cannot apprehend a symbol unless one is able to awaken, in one’s own being, the spiritual resonances which respond to the symbol not only as sign but as ‘sacrament’ and ‘presence.’ The symbol is an object pointing to a subject. We are summoned to a deeper spiritual awareness, far beyond the level of subject and object.'

"Mythologies, in other words, mythologies and religions, are great poems and, when recognized as such, point infallibly through things and events to the ubiquity of a 'presence' or 'eternity' that is whole and entire in each. In this function all mythologies, all great poetries, and all mystic traditions are in accord; and where any such inspiriting vision remains effective in a civilization, everything and every creature within its range is alive. The first condition, therefore, that any mythology must fulfill if it is to render life to modern lives is that of cleansing the doors of perception to the wonder, at once terrible and fascinating, of ourselves and of the universe of which we are the ears and eyes and the mind. Whereas theologians, reading their revelations counterclockwise, so to say, point to references in the past (in Merton’s words: 'to another point on the circumference') and Utopians offer revelations only promissory of some desired future, mythologies, having sprung from the psyche, point back to the psyche ('the center'): and anyone seriously turning within will, in fact, rediscover their references in himself."

— Joseph Campbell, "Myths To Live By"
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 01:50:37 PM »
“Apocalypse does not point to a fiery Armageddon but to the fact that our ignorance and our complacency are coming to an end… The exclusivism of there being only one way in which we can be saved, the idea that there is a single religious group that is in sole possession of the truth—that is the world as we know it that must pass away. What is the kingdom? It lies in our realization of the ubiquity of the divine presence in our neighbors, in our enemies, in all of us.”

― Joseph Campbell, Thou Art That: Transforming Religious Metaphor
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 01:54:09 PM »
"To grasp the full value of the mythological figures that have come down to us, we must understand that they are not only symptoms of the unconscious (as indeed are all human thoughts and acts) but also controlled and intended statements of certain spiritual principles, which have remained as constant throughout the course of human history as the form and nervous structure of the human physique itself.

"Briefly formulated, the universal doctrine teaches that all the visible structures of the world - all things and all beings - are the effects of a ubiquitous power out of which they rise, which supports and fills them during the period of their manifestation, and back into which they must ultimately dissolve. This is the power known to science as energy, to the Melanesians as mana, to the Sioux Indians as wakonda, to the Hindus as shakti, and the Christians as the power of God. Its manifestation in the psyche is termed, by the psychoanalysts, libido. And its manifestation in the cosmos is the structure and flux of the universe itself."

Joseph Campbell, The Hero with a Thousand Faces, Part II - "The Cosmogonic Cycle"; Chapter 1 - "Emanations"; Section 1 - "From Psychology to Metaphysics"
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 05:47:32 AM »
"To grasp the full value of the mythological figures that have come down to us, we must understand that they are not only symptoms of the unconscious (as indeed are all human thoughts and acts) but also controlled and intended statements of certain spiritual principles, which have remained as constant throughout the course of human history as the form and nervous structure of the human physique itself.

The average man of today is completely deprived from the myth. And that goes along for most of the spiritual people too.

The myth is a tale and very few would believe that the myth is still useful - to live and use. As an energy from history and beyond, today and in the future.

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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2012, 11:24:29 AM »
The average man of today is completely deprived from the myth. And that goes along for most of the spiritual people too.

The myth is a tale and very few would believe that the myth is still useful - to live and use. As an energy from history and beyond, today and in the future.

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Agree 100%!
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 09:08:59 PM »
"The wonder is that the characteristic efficacy to touch and inspire deep creative centers dwells in the smallest nursery fairy tale—as the flavor of the ocean is contained in a droplet or the whole mystery of life within the egg of a flea. For the symbols of mythology are not manufactured; they cannot be ordered, invented, or permanently suppressed. They are spontaneous productions of the psyche, and each bears within it, undamaged, the germ power of its source."

- Joseph Campbell, "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 04:54:27 PM »
"We are in the old age of our culture. It's in a dissolving, disintegrating period ...

"There is an awful saying of Spengler that I ran into in a book of his, 'Jahre der Entscheidung' ('Years of Decision'), which are the years we live in now. He said, 'As for America, it's a congeries of dollar trappers, no past, no future.' When I read that back in the thirties, I took it as an insult. But what is anybody interested in? ... It's a terrible lack of anything but economic concerns that we're facing, and that is old age and death, and that is the end. That's as I see it. I have nothing but negative judgments in respect to that."

Joseph Campbell, interviewed by Lorraine Kisly, in "Living Myths: A Conversation with Joseph Campbell, Parabola, Issue 1 (Spring 1976), pp. 70-81
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 06:03:57 PM »
That would apply to all cultures now, except Bhutan and a few others like that.

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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 06:24:15 PM »
Buddha can die in different ways - with different outcomes.

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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 03:38:50 PM »
"Furthermore, we have not even to risk the adventure alone; for the heroes of all time have gone before us; the labyrinth is thoroughly known; we have only to follow the thread of the hero-path. And where we had thought to find an abomination, we shall find a god; where we had thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves; where we had thought to travel outward, we shall come to the center of our own existence; where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world."

Joseph Campbell, The Hero with a Thousand Faces, p. 18 (3rd edition)
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2012, 04:16:03 PM »
"All of the traditions that came out of India - Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism - center on the idea of reincarnation. This is just as fundamental to Indian mythological thinking as our idea of Judgment, Heaven, and Hell is to our tradition. The notion is that the soul - what I will call the reincarnating monad - puts on bodies and takes them off, over and over again, as a person puts on and removes clothing.

"What is the function of the body? The function of the body is to put your "jiva," your deathless soul, into the realm of temporal experience. The body is meant to stimulate the soul with challenges, and then, once the "jiva" has assimilated the possibilities inherent in the experiences of this lifetime, the body is flung away and another body is taken on ...

"Now the individual soul may resist these experiences, in which case it fails to benefit from this lifetime. In this case, the soul is thrown right back like an undersize fish until the soul has learned the lesson. The ultimate goal for the soul is to reach the point where it does not need to put on a body anymore. It is released, to be not anybody, anything - to become one with the light.

"What is it that brings the soul back, putting on bodies like a shopper at Macy's trying on scarves? It is desire and fear. You have a desire for life; you have a fear of death. When you absolutely quench desire and fear, those things by which all of us live, then there is no life. That is the ultimate aim of all the yogas. Of course you can go through all kinds of exercises and think you have gotten rid of fear and desire, but the very fact you are trying to get rid of them is a desire. That is the funny twist that every monk runs up against: the harder you try not to want, the more you're wanting not to want, and so you are in a double bind. The illumination comes when you are least ready ... This moment of illumination comes when you're not quite watching for it; often, when you are striving you are actually blocking it.

"Jiva," the Sanskrit word for this reincarnating entity, is related to the Latin "viva." This is the living force that keeps putting bodies on. Now, on a higher level, since all beings are manifestations of that ultimate being, "jiva-atman," all "jivas" are manifestations of the "atman," and if you will realize that this is "nirvana," you will lose that will to get loose and you will be loose while alive. That business of being in balance while moving in the world is key to this. Now, this is a balance; one reason that athletics and things like music performance and dance performance are so helpful as disciplines is that to do these things well you have to both be doing them and not doing them; there has to be a kind of relaxation and turning the activity over to the body, to the performing power, so that your consciousness rides along with it. That is very much like the saintly attitude. The still point rests in the middle and the activity swirls round about, and you are both the nirvanic point and the activity. The point where the Buddha sat is called the immovable point, but it is the world just as the hub is part of the wheel, and that's because of the nondual realization we get on the other side."

Joseph Campbell, Myths of Light, pp. 44-46
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2012, 07:39:35 PM »
"Now the individual soul may resist these experiences, in which case it fails to benefit from this lifetime. In this case, the soul is thrown right back like an undersize fish until the soul has learned the lesson."


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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2013, 12:12:49 AM »
“There were formerly horizons within which people lived and thought and mythologized. There are now no more horizons. And with the dissolution of horizons we have experienced and are experiencing collisions, terrific collisions, not only of peoples but also of their mythologies. It is as when dividing panels are withdrawn from between chambers of very hot and very cold airs: there is a rush of these forces together. And so we are right now in an extremely perilous age of thunder, lightning, and hurricanes all around. I think it is improper to become hysterical about it, projecting hatred and blame. It is an inevitable, altogether natural thing that when energies that have never met before come into collision—each bearing its own pride—there should be turbulence. That is just what we are experiencing; and we are riding it: riding it to a new age, a new birth, a totally new condition of mankind—to which no one anywhere alive today can say that he has the key, the answer, the prophecy, to its dawn. Nor is there anyone to condemn here, (”judge not, that you may not be judged!”) What is occurring is completely natural, as are its pains, confusions, and mistakes.”

Excerpt From: Campbell, Joseph. “Myths to Live By.” Joseph Campbell Foundation, 2011-03-11. iBooks.
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Re: Joseph Campbell
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2013, 01:14:04 AM »
"A warrior doesn't seek anything for his solace, nor can he possibly leave anything to chance. A warrior actually affects the outcome of events by the force of his awareness and his unbending intent." - don Juan

 

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